many of these law enforcement activities are fake crimes. i have a real beef against fake crimes. >> bill: so you are siding with the judge? >> i think the judge. >> bill: even though these guys clearly knew what they were doing, that is moving tons of cocaine, involving al al qaeda, killers, they knew they were doing that they just didn't see the cocaine. only thing they didn't see was the actual drug. after they are caught and come back with a conspiracy rap that gets them 20 if the judge is tough. you say no, give them a little, like this. >> there was no real drug deal. >> bill: you know what the intent was. >> you know what their state of mind is. but this -- i submit to you, please, i submit that i could convince almost anyone with living on the margins of life. >> bill: no one in this room and they all live on the margins would do this. all right. nobody here. >> you can seduce people into going along with al qaeda. >> bill: and transporting tons of cocaine. come on. >> the people involved in this, bill, are people are ho is susceptib